Saffy's Secrets... Just Does Not Care
 

So i got the email on June 2nd, regarding the FHGs, read like this:

"Hey guys.... Thanks for being so patient. We've finally got some fresh material up at Saffys Secrets: http://www.saffyssecrets.com/affiliate_dls_zips.htm .......Best wishes.....Saffy xxxxx"

I responded with this:

"What are the new galleries, the ones at the top or bottom? Why not send them in a URL|Description format, so that affiliates can plug them into their CMS/Scripts much faster? I am not listing these because you dont provide a description and b/c you make it a pain to get the galleries from your 'affiliate page'. If you get that adjusted or can email me the galleries with descriptions, I would be happy to list them. Thanks for you time, feel free to contact me on icq if you have any questions or concerns. I have nylon traffic, alot of it, so may be of interest to you. ;-)"

She responds with this:

"Hi,

No problem, pls feel free to delete us from your affiliates.

Thanks :-)"


My reason for posting this, I am sick and tired of program owners wanting affiliates to push their content and make sales with them, but don't care if you request some descriptions or so. She has probably a total of 50 FHGs, how much would it cost to have them created so affiliates have them in their galleries? As well, why would you reply so 'I don't care about you' like? I am dropping them from my sponsors, as she requested, any thoughts from the rest of you guys on this, or do I just have my pantyhose in a wad? :-D


Thanks for the ear

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Wow, they are dumbfucks, I'd never want to deal with sponsors that reply with something like that

That is saying they have no intention to ever work with affiliates to get proper tools, they shouldn't even have an affiliate program imho

Seems odd to me. I try and treat affiliates as customers and as long as they show the same respect, business gets done. And, after all, that is why we are here.

You will say I always take the defense of webgirlz I know ( and it's true ..:D ) but you know Saffy is still popular, and her existing content is great no ?
We all have probs to deal with, and perhaps this mail has been sent in a bad day ....I know it's not a way to deal with affiliates, and in many cases it's a way to loose affiliates but ...relax ...I am sure things will be better soon ;)
...

I hope so, I am very easy to work with, anyone that has done biz with me and my partner know that, will post back if anything changes. Thanks for your opinions everyone. :-)

EDIT: And yes, her content is very good, which is what makes it a interesting circumstance.

Hello,

I'd just like to defend myself with this as would like to thank my friend for bringing this to my attention.

Unfortunately at the moment, I'm in and out of hospital and have been for a few months which has taken priority over everything in my life. My website included! My photographer may also be leaving the country and I've just been told my website will possibly be closed. With all this going on I have to confess a few descriptions are the least of my worries.

Nichednet...I'm happy to do your description, can u send me a link so I can see exactly what you need? :)

JScott? IS there really need for calling people "Dumbs fucks" ??
Not very mature!!!!

Somona...You're just a babe!!!!!!!! ;)

xxx

Sad to hear u think we don't care?
 

Again, I'd like to defend myself when you say we don't care.

Saffys Secrets is no big business venture, and I'd happily admit to that.
When we started out, it was a hobby/adventure, I'd met my husband/photographer through modelling for him & Saffys Secrets was born.

He had a full time job in the city 12 hours a day, so we always knew it would be no big business venture. We did it for our love off all things nylons, fetish and bondage and photography!

Saffys Secrets has been going for 6 years now...not bad, eh?
We've gone through a divorce, me living in other countries, and IVF treatment, but still it kept on!!

It never was a big money spin for us, and if people want to join us in affiliates, hey, that's great. IF people don't, it's not problem.
Apologies if we don't have the latest affiliate soft wear. I've tried my best with learning all the technical side of web mastering, but even I'm not perfect! lol
But again, I don't think I've done bad, and I've never had any complaints until now. Well, u can't please everyone!! lol

So to say we don't care? I have to disagree. Saffys Secrets was done for love not money, but hey, I'm not complaining if it brings in some pocket money!:)

Sign ups....
 

Do u know the ironic thing about this?

I've just had a load of affiliate sign ups this morning!!! They say no publicity is bad publicity!!! lol lol

:D :p :cool:

Tanks so much Sweet Saffy ! ..So ...al is said about this ? Perhaps some apologizes ? You know, Guys, it's always when you igore he real situation that some posts seems to be quite unreal ...I remeber telling you the same thing about PassionUK no ?

:)

You're welcome Somona....
U remind me of the mummy of all us nylon girlies...looking out for our interests! :)

Hugggs to you xxxxx

Thought I would throw my two cents in...

Saffy... Welcome to the board and glad you felt the need to defend yourself. Understand the situation and know very well that life can throw you a curve ball from time to time. But truthfully, an affiliate sends you an email with recommendations and that was your response? Here's someone who wants to earn a little cash from your program and help you out as well.

If a paysite program basically told me to go fuck myself, I would have done the exact same thing that nichednet did to let my fellow webmasters know that the model/program owner doesn't really care about us.

I also found it a bit amusing when you scolded jscott for his response but your response to nichednet expressed pretty much the same message.

My 2 cents...

Cheers!
Chris

Calling someone a "Dumb fuck" is not the same as politely saying to someone, if they're not happy with how I do my affiliates they're welcome to delete me!

I wasn't rude or nasty. I was just saying it how it is. I don't have descriptions and if he doesn't want to work with me bcos he we don't offer that on our affiliates, then that his choice. :)

Anyway, I shan't be defending myself any more, and I'm going to say no more on the matter! I simply don't have the time.

I've just read that nichednet has deleted me from his affiliates and I wish him the best for the future! :)

Matter closed for me!

:)

Chris...You surely can understand that all webgirls you promote got a life, pain, probs, and ...of course LOTS of work to let their website open ...I could understand you can wrote this if you would all promote websites of those webgirls for free ...but you are earning cash for that ( around 50 % of the membreship ...no ?) and that's the deal, and that's what I didn't understand with passion, and now for Saffy ....the existing content can still be promoted no ? I will be a little bit rude, but ..look ...
Who is the traffic of the TGPs ?
If I refer of the conversion stats,Most of them just want to get free hardcore content ...I will surely repeat me but it's like persons you invite in a big party, you make the show, and let them drink and eat ...they enjoy the show, drink all the wine, eat ...and when there is nothing to eat, they go in another party , and You, as webgirl, you are cleaning the mess and prepare another party for some other visitors !
If there were no Saffy, no PassionUK , no aother webgirls working hard everyweek to prepare this, there wouldn't have any TGP ...so some respect could be very appreciated for their work :)

Saffy, I will be always their for you and other webgirls :) keep up your great work :) ...

Hugs & kisses xoxox

Sometimes there is more important things going on in our life's.
Like Passion, things that are so important we put that in front of making money.

Even in a normal job, how many people take leave for personal problems etc, which leads to their work suffering. It happens all the time, whatever industry/job you have.

In an ideal world, personal problems shouldn't affect our work, but hey, this isn't an ideal world, and us as humans can only do our best, which means sometimes mistakes are made!!!

Girl power to Somona ;) xxx

Thanks so Much Saffy Sweety !

Girls Power to all of Us !!

Hugs & Kisses xoxox ;)

Saffy/Somona, I appreciate your situations, as we do all have our problems. I wrote back Saffy letting her know I am truly concerned and that I do believe it to be a waste to have her site taken down. I would like to help, believe it or not. I offered to have my fiancé write up descriptions for her affiliates as well as provide a small dump tool for the affiliates to use. On top of that, let me know the logistics of the site coming down, if it is bandwidth and space, that is negligible in this day and age, so I can possibly help. Hope to hear from you soon, and maybe can iron out some of these problems, and make us all a bit of money.

Chat soon and kind regards to all,


Shane
Niched Network Traffic Team

EDIT: and on a extra note, I am still keeping your links up, I dont like the idea of kicking a person while they are down, we all make mistakes, it is how we deal with them that shows our true person.

Hi Shane,

I got your email. Many thanks....

I'll reply to you in the next hour, just finishing off dinner... :)

Ok, dumbfucks, that comment was out of line, i will take that back, but it's just really messed up how you have an affiliate program but dont care about it, why have an affiliate program in the 1st place?

Because I'm not a webmaster & I did the best that I could with what I know and learnt! It hasn't caused me any issues until now!

Like I said. My website isn't a big business. It's something me and my ex husband did to mark the fetish scene and showcase what we enjoy.
It's just a small personal website.

I also never said I didn't care about it. I just said it was up to people if they wanted to make out of our site or not. The option was there for them to do so!!!!!

Ok, but it's a business to some people, for example, 100% of my income is made from promoting websites like yours, so it's really helpful if (since you opened an affiliate program it shows that you care to make money thru affiliate marking also) it's really helpful if you can work a little bit sometimes to help us make money, make money for ourselves and for you also to your own site

Saffy there is a lot of money in affiliates, your site looks great, the content is fantastic also, I'm sure a LOT of people here on Legwebmasters would LOVE to promote your site if you had the basic webmaster tools like fhgs, banners, zips, etc (it's very easy to setup, just ask anyone here, it's VERY easy and quick too)

Thank you hun....

Unfortunately my ex husband who is my business partner and photographer is leaving the country, that and me trying for IVF this summer and hoping to become a mummy, I think Saffys Secrets will only be open for another few months.

To be honest if things were different? I would definitely take that advice on board and invest into a whole new affiliate page that is up to date.

I only found out what was happening this week, so I'll know more at a later date.

Thank you for the advice...its really appreciated...:) :)

Well, I'm glad it's all cleared up. I really don't like bad feelings and thanks everyone for your kind concern :) :)

xxx

nichednet said your email reply was
But then you told us your sad story of your life events, but everybody has a sad story. But then you said
I didn't read anywhere how you prove that you care about affiliates. Sure... you said you'd do descriptions NOW, but then said your site will possibly close, what's up with that? Then you say
So does this mean affiliates should take their links down? Or will nichednet's work of importing galleries, etc, be for nothing? When the site closes, what happens to the rebilling customers that affiliates brought to the site?

This isn't a personal attack, it's from a business point of view.

I'm done with explaining myself.

I have a right to defend myself when something is been said about me!!!

The topic for me is no longer up for discussion!

lol

So does this mean affiliates should take their links down? Or will nichednet's work of importing galleries, etc, be for nothing? When the site closes, what happens to the rebilling customers that affiliates brought to the site?

What happens with any site when it closes? Websites dont stay open forever!! lol lol

Also if you read, I've just found out about my website possibly closing, so give me a bloody chance to get things sorted!

Site closing soon, that's a shame, you have the right idea, the site content, the tour everything is really nice, sad to know it's going to close

I'd just like to point out...It wasn't a "SAD STORY" it was just me being truthful about my situation, and it's just life. Nothing sad about it. Shit happens and we move on to another chapter of our lifes. There's nothing sad about my life. I'm extremely blessed and happy, thanks very much.

That sounded pretty much like an personal attack to me!

Why are folk so aggressive on here???? :(

Nice to see quite all revised their point of view ;) Jscott, you know more than other how can be difficult to promote a personnal website ( with the Noy's website ) and how an affiliate program is a full time job to entertain ...
Saffy's is one of the best model you had on your TGPs, ( like Passion, Sue, Astrid...and the list is not closed ..) but unfortunately, as Saffy said, those website are not " Big Business " and in many cases the models earn not enough to work on it as Full Time Job ....well for all detractattions, Guys, I will ask you a question ....would You be game to make around 3 nude shootings by week, everyweek, in certain cases without families, friends and more don't know anything about it , run an affiliate program, and manage all that ?? ...The simple fact to make a shooting with my hubby naked was really difficult !! :D :) so .....business point of view is good, but to make a good business you got to consider all the aspects of the questions...for exemple, if you were running a company, and an employee would be sick, that's not because he don't care about your product...and you won't fire him ...or I hope not for you, because if not..it would be really difficult for you to keep some quality in your staff ;)

Well, it threatenes our income, that is like, if oyu have any affiliates that promote you a lot, and make a lot of money with you and your site, then you close your site, imagine all the money he'll lose from not getting all his well-deserved rebills

It feels really bad, it's like you are demoting an employee for working too good, it just doesnt' add up and doesnt pan out to be too fair

that's why sometimes people get heated in topics like these


ps, and yes i had to close my solo girl site, i had more legal threats that ended up making me make that decision, i apologize for it, but i leave my members area open so the current customers can rebill thus still giving credit to affiliates for their rebilling referred customers, Saffy can you at least leave open your members area for current members? I think your affiliates would at least respect that more

Yes, it's sad when websites close down, for everyone concerned. I only know a small part of what is involved with affiliates for you guys, but surely we can't be counter-able for things that are out of our control?!

yes ;)

Saffy, I think you are being oversensitive. Also you might consider selling your site instead of taking it offline. Maybe somebody would be interested in buying it and you should be able to easily transfer it at CCBill.

And join my nylon toplist, I see you have some links on your front page.

Hit the nail on head, sweetie.....We're not super human, and can only do our best! All I can say is that I've done my best with my website with the knowledge that I know. I was a model who knew nothing about the technical side of websites but I wanted to learn and did so the best I could :p

Maybe I am being, but I just wanted to be truthful about my situation. I was trying to make out some sob story. I thought people would appreicate that!

I have no idea what the next step is, and you seemed to be just fireing questions at me. So cut me some slack!!! :p

I never thought about selling the website before. Can u do that?

Selling the site and/or content, very good idea I agree, plus can kick back some extra cash into your pocket when you exit the scene Saffy :)

Woohoo...Sounds like a great plan!

How does one go about selling their site? he he

:)

So happy ending Honey ??!! :D