Silence of Sheeps - DMCA notices, Copyright Infringements etc

[ikcawon]

Hello,

I am a newbie here but I am not a newbie in our leg webmasters world.
Some of you knew me before I came here.
I started my first free website in 1997.

It's over 14 years of existing in web.

First of all I would like to apologise for my English which is not perfect.
I know after 14 years it could be better... (I feel shame now)

I will try to write clearly so you can understand what I mean.

I visit this forum very often. I even tried to signup 6 months ago but something went wrong and I was not approved.

Guys, almost everything I can see here is nearly crying. Crying over past good times.
Things has changed and golden years has gone..

Every day I try to find out why my income decreases even if I updated my websites on regular weekly basis.
I am uploading to my sites so many pictures and HD videos every week... Why it's still decreasing?


I think I found one main reason. I think it is not the only one but surely it is main reason.

People (visitors) are clever, very clever.

If you own a store selling cigarettes for example 1 box of Marlboro per $20

How can you expect people to purchase such cigarettes at your store if the next door
LEGAL store for a price of $15 offers 5 boxes of Marlboro and additionally extra 20 boxes of Camel's.
And additionally if someone enter their store they give him 1 box of choosen cigarettes free.

Everything I wrote is true.

Our websites are just like STORES.

We are producing content or purchasing - then we work on traffic and some people signup our sites.
They download our content just like people taking box of ciggarettes... And all is OK until our visitors find the other very very cheap store. Legal store which sells our content or just giving it for free.

Do you know what I mean?

Of course - I mean FORUMS.

They are legal and they offer stolen content legally.

Try to imagine - in real you open a new store and then you start advertising:

"STOLEN CIGARETTES! 30 boxes for a price of one! Thousands kinds of cigarettes!
Just come and see. Some of them are for free!"


I am very sure in a few hours you will be visited by investigator.
Even if you didn't have stolen cigarettes at your stock. Even if you just gave him an address where he can find stolen cigarettes. Your store will be closed and you will be prosecuted for illegal handling because you just provided people with information where they can find stolen products.

How come the forums are legal even if you can see "FULL SITE RIPS" advert at their front page?


And why webmasters of paysites do nothing to stop such criminals?

Marcin

[cots]

Hi Marcin

Welcome to Legwebmasters I am sure you will be a valuable contributor here - and your English is way better then my Polish

I don't have an answer to your very valid question. In our case, sad to say, it's just time. Whatever we do, will will never stop the theft, the best that can happen is that we try and keep it to a minimum.

Policing the web is a very time consuming process. We work on a principle that the time is best spent marketing the sites to get maximum traffic and sales. It's a bit like football (soccer to my American buddies) I would rather win 6-5 than defend like crazy and finish 0-0.

On a sober note I think it's important that we all stick together. If you find stolen content, as you have Marcin, post it here and we will all act. One thing I have done in the past is post on bigger boards with major players there. They often have the resources to tackle the issue more forcefully. I even have contacts on one or two of them that will happily bring a site/server down if we ask nicely and wipe the content. Sounds extreme but we have to do what we have to do.

[ikcawon]

Hi Geoff,

Originally Posted by cots

Policing the web is a very time consuming process. We work on a principle that the time is best spent marketing the sites to get maximum traffic and sales. It's a bit like football (soccer to my American buddies) I would rather win 6-5 than defend like crazy and finish 0-0.

Yes, we spend our time on marketing to increase traffic and therefore we expect better sales.
But someone started new store where he sells (or gives away for free) our content and this is why people visit your website amazingastrid.com to see what's new and then they type "rs amazingastrid" at google - and this way they can access your content for free. Try this and you can see how many of your zipped files are online.

We should not spend our time investigating and fighting content thieves. This should be done by proper services (FBI etc).
If someone stolen your car - do you spend your time looking for the thief ??? No, you just go to Police and they do this for you because you are paying taxes and it is their job to protect your property.

And yes - we should create strong community and start pushing for bringing down forums and file sharing services. Those are transnational criminal organizations stealing our intelectual property!

[jscott]

Hi Marcin and again, welcome!

Ya, it sucks that you are now joining in on these rough times, most threads on all forums are about scamming, card banging, tubes, ratios going to shit, all around decrease in revenues and such.

But about what you're talking about, the only ways I've heard is content owners must be VERY VERY VERY..... VERY!!!! active at going after these torrent sites, file upload sites, and tube sites, actively sending DMCA's probably every single day to protect their content. This is the only way!

I think it's becoming probably a big % of their daily work now, for those that actively chase down those thiefs.

Very shitty how in todays world, with technology and all, your example about cigarette store in real, advertising stolen stuff would get shut down immediately, but online those sites are thriving I do think someday the laws will catch up to these stolen content criminals

[ikcawon]

Hi Scotty,

Our websites haven't existed for yesterday. I mean our history is a long time story.

If we try to analyze WHEN our income started decreasing then we find out that decrease began with starting of filesharing services (Rapidshare, Hotfile etc)

Guys, please, stop talking about worldwide crisis. Our industry and especially our niches are mainly MEN or MALE industry. It means that our customers are 99.9% men. And the bloody truth: Our income is based on masturbation.

Even if you are a poor man, you always find a way to have sex. Masturbation is the most cheap and safe way of having sex. And the second bloody true - men have never enough sex. It's very rare situation when your wife or girlfriend harrases you in sexual way so hardly that you are pumped down and you want to do everything but sex. Of course almost all men dream of having such partner
Well, I often receive e-mails from my customers. Who are they?
Mainly 70% they are husbands returning back home after work and waiting for their wifes to get to sleep. Then they sit at their computers and.....
This is because men are getting bored quick in a relationship. And usually women don't understand or don't want to understand and fulfill sexual fantasies of men, especially if they are fetish related.

Well even if a guy is poor and there is no food at refrigerator - he is going to spend $24 or $30 for one month of membership at his favourite paysite because it is an average cost of one or two hamburgers at Mc'Donalds.

Of course he won't spend any $$$ if he can get it for free!

[nyllover]

First of all...welcome to the forum and it's a pleasure and honour to be able to exchange messages witg you.
Ickawon's Pantyhose was the very first site that "hit me" ages ago...the one that had exactly what i was looking for... the one we thought about when we started PiediVelati.com

Back to the topic...i disagree. It's the same crying the music industry is doing, and guys the solution it's not to keep crying and keep pointing fingers against Rapidshare.

Only way for us is to keep doing what we are doing, to produce always better content, to protect our content as much as we can (first thing: try to avoid stolen passwords) and.... to let our customers fall in love with us. Let them come to our side.

If a customer is happy and somehow "in love" with the guys from a site, that brought him what he always dreamed about, and that are always kind and open to his suggestion...then he will always be the first one to protect our content.

My english is not that good as well, but what i'm trying to say is that in times like this, what we must do to survive is improve our... "customer care", if i may say. Let them fall in love with us, let them respect us...

What do you think?

[ikcawon]

Hello Nyllover ! Thank you for compliments!
And you know, your website nyllover.com is my favourite website where I always come to see new updates from movie scenes

Back to topic.. I am sad to tell you - you are a dreamer and idealist my friend.

Most people visit our websites because they love our content. But only a few guys really care of protection of our pages.

It is none of their business to protect our pages. They just want new updates.
If they can get them for free - they will not pay.

But it's not place to argue.

Is PassioniPiedi.com your website?

There is a forum only-nylon.org

They ripped PassioniPiedi and over 14Gb of your pics and videos is shared at filesharing site.

only-nylon.org is password protected - you have to be registered member to access this forum. But registration is free.

I highly recommend all you guys to take a look at this forum.
I am sure everyone would find there his content.

[ikcawon]

Hi Midi I am sorry I didn't notice your message when I was replying Nyllover's post.
Thank you for your support!

Marcin

[Midi]

Hi Icawon,

From me also a warm welcome here on board.
I´m with you when you say "we should create strong community and start pushing for bringing down forums and file sharing services."
Further I guess we all here in this forum should hold more and more together in these hard times.The only way to fight against Password sharing, Site ripping or something else is to notice that early enough.
I don´t know how often I write to some of our colleagues if I find there content somewhere in the net.It´s a pity !
In times like these whe are should see our work like a big company becuase we all work with the same matter "LEGS".
So don´t look away when you find stuff from other sites.
I know we have a very little, unimportant page but even our site was hacked a few times.You see,... it seems to be a sport to share content or share passwords.
Let us all hold more togehter!

Stefan
( I know my english sucks ;-/ )

[nyllover]

Holy shit....thanks for letting me know...yes...that's one of my sites.... i'll go after them...

[nyllover]

Ok, i was a dreamer till a few hours ago.


Having said that...could you post here the DMCA notice you sent, or at least a sample of it? That way even people that never did it (like myself) could send it.

Waking up from the dream....since May i can see a decreasing number of new sales on PassionePiedi.
Coincidence?

[nyllover]

I believe this is that Linh Wang:
www.xchiang.com

[Midi]

I have a proposition.
Is it possible to make this forum more private ?
I mean,... everyone can read what we are talking about here in this forum... also our enemies!
They can see our next steps and can responsive very quick.
If we try to take a look inside their forums, it´s almost impossible.
I´m sure that everyone can register here and see then our posts but if we checkup the sites who the applicant specify at the registration, we can see if he is a true website owner or not.
As I said,... We all should work more together against these suckers or sites going down one after the other!
What do you think ?

[ikcawon]

YES! I AGREE WITH YOU MIDI.

You are right my friend!

This forum should be private and reading posts should be available to registered members only.


@ GEOF,

I tried to contact OT without reply.

And the biggest problem is that when we bring down server then they move their domain to another hosting.

They should loss server and domain either


@ Nyllover - here is DMCA

================================================== ==========
DMCA NOTICE
================================================== ==========

IKCAWON
Attn: Marcin Nowacki
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
xx MY ADDRESS AND PHONE NUMBER HERExxxxxxx
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Webmaster of:
www.nylonfeetparty.com
www.hosieryhome.com
www.pol-legs.com
www.foot-fetish.pl
www.ikcawon.com
www.mynylonsworld.com
www.queenofnylon.com
www.foot-empire.com
www.feetlings.com
www.pantyhosegarden.com
www.only-tickling.com

To
DGN Teknoloji Bilisim Yayincilik San. ve Tic. Ltd. Sti.
DGN Plus, Cumhuriyet Mah. Kurtulus Cad. 240 Sok. Demirtas,
Osmangazi Bursa/Türkiye


Subject: Copyright Infringement Notice

Dear DGN Teknoloji Bilisim Yayincilik San. ve Tic. Ltd. Sti.


We have received information that you are providing Internet access to and
possibly hosting the internet site: only-nylon.org which is
offering
downloads of the copyrighted work(s) of IKCAWON (Marcin Nowacki)
The offending forum site requires a password to access the copyrighted
material.

Please see the recent screen captures of the forum in operation.

The distribution of unauthorized copies of copyrighted materials constitutes
copyright infringement under the Copyright Act, Title 17 United States Code
Section 106(3). This conduct may also violate the laws of other countries,
international law, and/or treaty obligations. We request that you
immediately do the following:

1) Disable access to the website and files listed below;
2) Remove this material from your server; and
3) Take appropriate action against the account holder under your Abuse
Policy/Terms of Service Agreement.

By copy of this letter, the owner of the above referenced Internet site,
DGN Teknoloji Bilisim Yayincilik San. ve Tic. Ltd. Sti., is hereby directed
to cease and desist from the conduct
complained of herein. On behalf of the respective owners of the exclusive
rights to the copyrighted material at issue in this notice, we hereby state,
pursuant to the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, Title 17 United States
Code Section 512, that the information in this notification is accurate and
that we have a good faith belief that use of the material in the manner
complained of is not authorized by the copyright owners, their respective
agents, or the law. Also pursuant to the Digital Millennium Copyright Act,
we hereby state, under penalty of perjury, that we are authorized to act on
behalf of the owners of the exclusive rights being infringed as set forth in
this notification.

Please contact us at the above listed address or by replying to this email
should you have any questions. Kindly include the above noted Reference # in
the subject line of all email correspondence. We thank you for your
cooperation in this matter. Your prompt response is requested.

Sincerely,
Marcin Nowacki
Owner
IKCAWON

paysites:

www.nylonfeetparty.com
www.hosieryhome.com
www.pol-legs.com
www.foot-fetish.pl
www.ikcawon.com
www.mynylonsworld.com
www.queenofnylon.com
www.foot-empire.com
www.feetlings.com
www.pantyhosegarden.com
www.only-tickling.com



The offending files are linked from:

only-nylon.org/blog/?p=9436
only-nylon.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=5040

only-nylon.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=3108&st=20


(I removed http// from URL addresses.)

[cots]

We need a good hacker to shut down/wipe the site - everytime if needs be. Is there any Lady Sonia stuff there, or one of the really big guys e.g. Only Tease? They are the type/size of guys to pull of a mega hack - via their contacys of course.