Virtual Reality
 

Anyone here interested?

Yeah... exactly what is it? When I think of VR I'm thinking computer generated environments. Obviously this is not what you're speaking of.

Virtual Reality Porn, Toby. I am about to shoot a whole lot of it. You need to go to Badoink, Naughty America and a few others. It should be on your promotion radar for sure.

Yeah, I kinda figured that out from the name.

I did a little looking on my own. I see a few obstacles, the cost of the equipment for producers, and the need for VR specific devices for the consumers.

I think it will have it's place in the mix, but I don't see it overtaking existing HD video as the norm.

Who knows....remember when people thought that mobile was an impediment and no one would watch porn on a "phone"? I am betting we are at that point with this. There is way too much money invested in this tech. There are Olympic events this summer that will be vr...in fact broadcast in 8K in Japan. The NBA has and will be shooting vr starting now. The NHL is all over it. I think it is way too big to ignore.

From what I gather, sales of the VR devices on the consumer end are currently being driven by the video game market.

I can see VR having a niche in porn, but probably more in hardcore stuff, not fetish. Also, I don't see it catching on with most small independent producers that shoot their own content. The money simply isn't there any more to justify the investment in the equipment. Time will tell.

I think it will actually do really well in fetish. Imagine a girl in boots sticking her heel right in your lap as you look up at her stockings under her skirt. It is fuck off expensive and really hard to produce, but I think it is the future.

If the price comes down to make it a reasonable investment.

We both know that the best fetish content is produced by independents, not the big programs. If and when the math makes sense for most independent producers then I can see it becoming more widely used.

I am an independent producer.

Yes, but you're not the typical indie owner, at least among the ones I've had enough contact with to get to know a little.

I've been hearing a lot about VR porn lately but can't really find many sites that offer VR porn.

I found these so far:
http://www.holocashvr.com
http://vrbangers.com

Anyone know of others?

naughty america, czech girls vr....this time next year there will be more.

thanks man, looking forward to seeing what the future holds, hopefully brings money back into the adult scene.

fingers crossed. I will let all you guys know when I am ready with a pretty cool new product this year.

Followed an interesting talk in Sitges, at The European SUmmit, about VR. I agree that it will probably be big in the coming future...but at the moment it does cost really too much to even consider producing it. Not mentioning that it's also a bit high the cost on the consumer side.

Everyone that tried it says it's incredibly amazing, so it will surely be the future. But for now it looks like a toy reserved to those people that can afford it. Afford to produce it and afford to consume it.

But yeah...i do see pontential in fetish as well!

I watched 20 thousand dollars just whiz by me....and the fat lady is not even singing.

Jeezus, $20k and no fatty singing, FUCKKKKKKK :(

Well, lets hope technology catches up to allow it to be more affordable for production and consumers.

I'm watching very closely.

Can someone explain what makes this so much different than all the prior versions of "3D" that have been touted as "the future", but ended up being nothing more than just another gimmick. Better quality alone isn't going to make that much difference, IMO.

Toby. I really can't explain it to you. You have to see it properly. Everyone who does is amazed. Including me. Its jaw dropping. I wasn't going to shoot vr in Prague this year, but when I saw it, I knew it had to be done. Even if you just get some Google cardboard, get a porn trailer on your phone, and watch it, you will get it right away.
If anyone is updating their cell phones, the latest Samsung S7 is fully engaged in this and will give you a gear vr headset for free.

Same question i've asked...and i got the same answer.

You wouldn't ask this question if you would have tried it. I hope i will try it soon :)

Well.... isn't that going to make it rather difficult to sell to anyone that doesn't already have a VR headset?

What percentage of the current market has VR headsets? What is the current growth rate? What is the projected percentage in a year? Two years?

It may be jaw dropping, but peeps without headsets are going to be a hard sell.

There's no decision to be made on my end... if an affiliate program with decent fetish content offers it, then I'll try promoting it. Little risk on my part, but I'm still skeptical that it will ever be more than a niche market.

Well, to watch internet porn you need a computer. And back when this biz started there was nowhere near the number there are today...and it happened really quickly. I just think this is the evolution of not only porn, but film making. I think people are going to have the equipment to watch really soon. There is way too much money riding on this from the NBA to live streaming vr from this summer's Olympics. This ain't your mom's 3d.

No doubt it will be successful in time. People can produce anything they want but will consumers take it up in enough numbers to make it viable? Who knows. Of course early adopters and tech freaks will be there, but the majority? I am not so sure. According to all major forecasters we are entering another global economic recession. Household disposable incomes are level, if not falling. I assume VR porn isn't going to retail at $24.99 a month lol!

We all moaned about the effect of free porn on our businesses, but people need free porn as they can't afford to buy it as much as they once could.

As for the investment it depends on how you look at it. I can honestly say there is no way we could recover the investment and on going costs. The sales increases required to get a substantial return on that investment isn't going to happen for us I'm afraid. If that means we go out of business because we can't keep up so be it.

One last thing. Naughty America haven't updated their affiliate galleries/content for over 7 months - so I couldn't promote it even if I wanted to!

all this stuff is currently in the advertising phase. NA got huge press and I assume traffic because of that launch.

My point is what they are doing is forward thinking - but at the cost of your current business? Seems arse about face to me.

No Geoff, I would never risk my current business. I have a massive amount of content I haven't even screened yet. I was going to shoot more of it actually, until I saw some vr porn and I just knew.
I will be shooting in Prague next week and vr was originally going to be about ten per cent. Now prolly more like 90.
I am tossing a lot at it, but far from everything. Not even close.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/04/12/tech...page_tech_pool

$600? Really?

That is a secondary market for adult. It is high end but tethered to a desktop.

http://www.bestbuy.ca/en-CA/product/.../10399763.aspx

That is either free with a new samsung s7 phone or about 99 bucks in the real world. Huwei is also manufacturing something similar.

That is the device I think will make or break vr for porn.

The thing i find it crazy is that everyone is building its own VR headset...and none is compatible with eachother. Like the samsung gear...if i don't have a samsung i can't use it.

We need compatible stuff in order to really make this big. Maybe it's just too early though

It is just too early. I have been shooting stocking and panty fetish now for half a month and even the shooting of it hasn't been sorted. But damn it looks soooooo horny to be under a girl's skirt, with her stockings, suspenders, and panties within tongue distance....I even get horny watching my own stuff. Even in real life it ain't this good. I originally planned to shoot maybe 25 percent vr, but now its 100.

https://techcrunch.com/2016/06/20/vr-porn/

Article about VR Porn just as an fyi :)

Royal Cash now has Tmw VR net fyi

Naughty Revenue has Naughty America VR

And now Leggy Cash with Stockings VR

Badoink Cash has Badoink VR

Porno Mental has Czech VR

Pimp Roll has WankzVR

Yanks Cash has YanksVR

Vixen VR

Gamelink has VR dvd and adverts

Got this email today

Czech is cornering this market. Same girls I shot. I find it really interesting and promising that so many are hopping on board so quickly. Most of the girls I shot it was their first or maybe second vr shoot ever. I had to really direct them. But VR is really the only new thing out there to promote. I know a lot of you think it is a fad, but I don't think so.

Maybe it's like a "once you go black you never go back" type of thing. You gotta try it to really understand it. But if you never try it, you never missing what you don't know

I was the last person on Earth to get highspeed internet, I was so contented with dialup and people urged me and always said "omfg you still use dialup!?" but same thing, I didn't miss what I didnt know lol

Yeah, but your customers know.

btw, I tried VR for the first time, it was for my nephews roller coaster ride VR thing. It was very cool actually. I can now imagine, finally have a rough estimate of how VR can potentially be so great. I still have yet to try with porn though

VR Porn will rock your world. Porn and vr is a match made in heaven. Of all my sites, the vr site is killing it. I am amazed because I was waiting for the post Christmas doldrums. And sales are through the roof. This is the best move I have made since I went full on video..