Saffy's Secrets... Just Does Not Care

[js69]

I really like this site. One thought, however, after looking at the video trailer, is the use of copyright music. I could be wrong and this music has been bought and paid for. Just curious since we are all involved in a huge amount of theft of our copyright material at the moment.

[AfterDarkkMedia]

Saffy, off topic, but you will still do modeling and travel? Also, fyi, you need to have documented records of your income to sell a site, especially through a broker.

If you made 8k last year for instance, you would usually get not over 8k for the whole kit and kaboodle. If you do not have actual video tape or unwatermarked .jpgs, good luck getting 2/3 of the hypothetical 8k.

[nichednet]

Saffy, where you go ;-) Answer my PM please :-)

[RedCash]

Hello Saffy and everyone. I read this post late last night and reread it this morning with some interest. Now Saffy is probably one of the few models in the UK I haven't work with - but it's a small world and I'd heard on the grapevine that her site might be closing.
To read the intial reactions of some on this forum does highlight some of the problems I see between us girls and others running solo girl websites and some affiliates.
Saffy is one of a small group of models in the biz that you can rely on 100%. I've never heard a bad word about her as a model or webmistress and in this day and age that's saying something!

Saffy's site seems to have grown very much like mine. I was promised the earth by various webmasters in the past with varying results, so over a decade ago I launched red-xxx intially as just a modelling page - then with some galleries - then as more people wanted more galleries I turned into a paysite.
It was only after being badgered by one of the UK's leading webmasters did I start to think or understand the affiliate model, leading to him one day sitting me down at his computer and him going through the process with CCBill to set up the affiliate program saying I'd only need some banners to keep affilliates happy (if only!).
By the time I'd got home all hell had let loose - people wanted 'tools' not banners and that's where I hit a brick wall - on the seemingly simple matter of passing the affiliate code through the FHG to CCBill. At this point I posted on a leading UK webmaster board for help and help is what I got. In fact one guy spending 3 long nights sorting out my server and making sure the code would work. Without him I still think I would not have sorted it out, but thanks to him and others I managed to get up and running a passable program.

This brings me on to my real reason for posting. As you all know quite a few websites and programs have closed for one reason or another over the last year or so, and yet what I see on so many webmaster boards are affiliates just moaning and not trying to help out (yes I know some of you have now apologised to Saffy and offered to help), but others just read the original post or don't read the whole post. As Somona has pointed out - yes affiliates are here to earn money - aren't we all, but you really should not expect the same level of knowledge or back up as you would from a major company such as the likes of "Brazzers" etc.

In fact it would make more sense if a few more of you got your hands dirty and helped out occasionally - after all is writing you own descriptions such a hard thing to do? In the end it's the Affiliate that needs the programs - without programs you are all dead. Now 5/10 years ago programs closing I gather was no big deal - plenty more out there, but today you should really cherish and help those that you've got.
Especially so with sites like Saffy's, where she has obviously cared a great deal about it. To you it may just be another site, but I'm sure Saffy feels the same as I do about my site. Whilst it is a way for us all to earn money - to us girls it's our face to the world so to speak. It's what projects our personalities out to the adult market and I'm sure Saffy is the same as me - we can be fiercely protective towards our sites, which I'm sure is one of the reasons why she is thinking of taking hers down. Rather take it down than see it slowly die or stagnate - after all there are other things in life than websites!

I'm sure you've all earned some great money from Saffy over the years so if she fancies a break go with it - help the site close well so no one loses out and then in a few years time it may be back bigger and better ;-). 6 years is a good run for any website so if Saffy fancies a break so be it.

In this day and age most new girls coming in to the biz see the problems girls like myself and Saffy etc. have faced setting up and running websites - remember most new sites don't last 6 months - that they would just rather post clips on sites like clips4sale. So if more girls choose to do that than attempt to run a website what have you affiliates got to promote?

The internet is awash with identical pornsites with the same US girls working for the same studios. So having sites like ours around - whilst not everyone's cup of tea - does make internet porn a little less boring! If you were just left with the really big players in the industry the web would be a poorer place, but if small sites just see affiliates jumping down webmaster's throats at any sign of trouble rather than bothering to find out if there's a problem and trying to help many more smaller sites may just think why bother?

Please don't get me wrong, I love some of my affiliates dearly and without their help I wouldn't be where I am today - and I'd love many more! I'm just trying to point out affiliates really should if they can help out smaller and newer programs not just complain and then post another rant that another website has closed!

[AfterDarkkMedia]

I actually have to respectfully disagree with RedCash. I think that webmasters that are lazy and don't give a shit about affiliates, actually deserve to close. It's obviously not their game. And in 2010, if you think that Affiliates are just begging, grovelling and into being run over or talked down too, perhaps "internal traffic" is their best bet.

If I ever got a super rude email from someone who I promoted, or they just acted like they did not give a shit, not only would I post it all over every adult board I could find to show how big of a fucking retard and time waster that they are, but I would blacklist their ass off of my entire network forever.

...And short answer, no! We can also promote cam, dating, toys, DVD's, Herbal, escorts or the other 567 niches that are out there. Saying that "if we were not here for you, you would be out of business" is just about the dumbest fucking thing I have heard all week. If you think that we are somehow fucked and bound to you because we are affiliates, your an idiot! For new programs, or sites, taking the Affiliate Model for granted is just about the dumbest thing you can do and these "rants" are not at all reflective of the industry... at all! I dare say that if you posted this bullshit on another general industry board, you would be laughed off of it in about 2 seconds. This is simply frustrated "Mom and Pop" shit coming out of the woodwork. But I also run a paysite and an affiliate program myself, so I see it from both sides.

This does not directly relate to redcash either, I promote them, actually. I'm just saying, this shit about a sense of "self entitlement" is just both funny and stupid at the same time, but rest assured, I will be here to collect all of their traffic when their sites go down in flames... You cannot sit back on your fat asses and expect to make a ton of cash anymore. 1998 was about 12 years ago. And you cannot expect us to give you quality traffic. props and hours of tweaking your concept while also telling us that your too lazy to make a fucking gallery or correspond and deal with taking care of business without acting like a 10 year old. This is not a hobby to many of us, it is a business. I would suggest that more people treat it as such. If not, get the hell out of the game, or stick to C4S.

~Thank you and Good night

[somona]

And me I am really agree with Redcash ...especially this point :
" The internet is awash with identical pornsites with the same US girls working for the same studios. So having sites like ours around - whilst not everyone's cup of tea - does make internet porn a little less boring!"

[Suckerpunch]

I'm actually a fan of some single model or single site programs and do whatever I can to help out. Zoli and Bob from Real Pantyhose Teens are guys I chat with regularly, have full access to their sites and promote as much as possible. Over the last 10 years I have worked with a lot of sites but if they're not willing to give me what I need, I simply find someone who will so I can make money for both them and myself.

This isn't really directed at anyone, just an observation. I hate seeing sites close down and there's a lot more out there that I know are very close to throwing in the towel and heading to sites such as clips4sale or a similar model. It's a shame but in the end it will be less stress for the model/content creator and the fans of their stuff will still be able to get the content they crave. So affiliates get cut out? If it's a legit business decision I totally understand that.

Hoping Saffy is back and at it in the near future.

[LandL]

Originally Posted by somona

And me I am really agree with Redcash ...especially this point :
" The internet is awash with identical pornsites with the same US girls working for the same studios. So having sites like ours around - whilst not everyone's cup of tea - does make internet porn a little less boring!"

I don't. There are plenty of UNIQUE solo model sites in the USA that focus on stockings, lingerie, pantyhose, fetish, boots, etc.

[Toby]

my 2¢, fwiw...

I think y'all piss-n-moan too much.

Independent sites, like Saffy's and Red's, don't have the time and resources to both maintain the site(s) AND support affiliates at the same level as large multi-site program. BUT, they are where you will find the best niche content because the models themselves understand the niche. Some of my best converting sponsors are independent sites with minimal affiliate promo materials. If their content is good and the tour converts then I'm willing to put in some extra work to promote them.

[nichednet]

Being glorified in laziness is not something to be commended on. A few extra hours here and there and everyone is happy. This economy does not allow for laziness, it dictates efficiency and effectiveness. Simple as that. Back to work.

[cots]

I just want to say that I have known Saffy personally for several years and she is a charming and sexy lady. She has always been extremely helpful to me in promoting her site, but then again I am not so demanding as some affiliates.

I think both sides made their point well so I don't need to comment in detail. But. Big but. As an affiliate (glamourimages) and a sponsor (amazingastrid) I can assure you that there are plenty of serious arseholes on both sides of the fence out there!!!

In my humble view Saffy is not one of them!

[nichednet]

I dont think so either, and ALL that know me and my partner know we are not 'arseholes', we are just businessmen, and good peeps at heart. Hopefully the purpose of this post does not tear Saffy down, as I have sear earlier, I just wanted to make a point to all programs that just a tiny bit extra effort will earn us all more money, even in this economy.

[cots]

Originally Posted by nichednet

I dont think so either, and ALL that know me and my partner know we are not 'arseholes', we are just businessmen, and good peeps at heart. Hopefully the purpose of this post does not tear Saffy down, as I have sear earlier, I just wanted to make a point to all programs that just a tiny bit extra effort will earn us all more money, even in this economy.

I wasn't targeting you specifically in this comment. In fact I have now posted a separate thread. My point is made more fully there but in a nutshell don't assume everyone has the same skills as you, or access to them, nor do you have their skills necessarily. It's about teamwork!

[Saffy]

Originally Posted by js69

I really like this site. One thought, however, after looking at the video trailer, is the use of copyright music. I could be wrong and this music has been bought and paid for. Just curious since we are all involved in a huge amount of theft of our copyright material at the moment.

The guys who did the music came to me asking me to use their music on my video trailers and promote their band!!!!!!!

So there u have it!

[Saffy]

Originally Posted by Toby

my 2¢, fwiw...

I think y'all piss-n-moan too much.

Independent sites, like Saffy's and Red's, don't have the time and resources to both maintain the site(s) AND support affiliates at the same level as large multi-site program. BUT, they are where you will find the best niche content because the models themselves understand the niche. Some of my best converting sponsors are independent sites with minimal affiliate promo materials. If their content is good and the tour converts then I'm willing to put in some extra work to promote them.

lol...Brilliant!!!